For what it's worth, there's speculation that Kaiser has a lot more going on in his real world than anyone knew about.  Yesterday his gf (don't think they're married but they've been together for awhile and have a kid) changed her facebook status to single.  This is after Kaiser posted his rant, sent me a link to it via PM (I was working and in a different channel in TS) so I could see (I took it that he wanted a reply from me) and then left teamspeak after I replied.  Nobody's been able to get ahold of him since.  It could be nothing but... everyone here knows dFb might be about a game when you first get in but it becomes more than that after awhile.  You don't get in just because you seem to be an awesome player, you get in only if everyone generally agrees that you aren't stupid or annoying enough to kick out.  So if you're reading this, dickhead, respond to someone who's trying to get ahold of you so we can stop worrying about you.  You've told me quite clearly that you don't like me and that I should never speak to you so I probably won't be calling you.

*update* We at least know he's not dead now, he responded to someone so we don't need to worry about that at least.

That said, this is how I see things.

There's quite a few people that everyone might be happier if they never had to play against on our server - not just Tony.  Kaiser went about it by being bad cop, I went about it being good cop by what I posted in their forums.  If this is what kaiser was referring to by his &quot;fuck dFb&quot; campaign then so be it.  There is nothing I was doing that would fuck dFb.  dFb is what we make it, not any other clan or some attention-deprived house wife.

We DON'T kick/ban people without a good reason or proof that they're cheating and a personal grudge against someone really isn't a good reason... unless we decide that that's how we're going to do things from now on and if we go that way I think it's a pretty big change in how we've always been.  There is 0 proof that Tony cheats.  The only evidence that was shown was Tony's video.  Kaiser didn't post chat logs, screenshots or anything other than his words and it sounded to me like it was mainly nothing more than kaiser doesn't like tony.  Tony posted the demo of the match too apparently but I haven't bothered to look at it - it wouldn't reveal a hack or not and the only interest it might be to me is for the chat log to see what was really said in the game - but that still leaves out teamspeak... tony said that prom looked up his name and tony wasn't in our teamspeak so something was obviously said in the game to let tony know that prom knew it was him.

Telling him to not post in our forums was just BEGGING him to do that.  You aren't god.  Even with me when I'm told not to do something by someone I don't really like or respect it just makes me want to do what I was told not to even more.  I would think anyone that has children would understand this.

I'm pretty sure that everyone would agree that for the people who have been in dFb for any length of time being in the clan is more about hanging around and talking to people you've come to consider friends than it is about any game.  As a clan we generally don't care if we've never won a match in the latest fn ladder as long as we enjoy what we're doing.  I'm not saying that ANYONE in dFb likes to lose... but it's usually not the most important thing that we crush all challengers... and this leads into why we don't cheat.  

We may get beaten by people that cheat, but we don't cheat.  If that means we lose every match on fn then so be it.  If you are completely convinced that half or more of everyone you play against cheats, then why play?  I stepped aside when the fn ladder came up for the specific reason that I felt fn condoned cheating.  Sure, I'll play in a match if you guys really need me but I disagreed completely with how the rules were set up, posted my concerns in the fn forums and the chips fell where they fell.  I don't begrudge anyone in our clan who wants to play in the fn matches but I'd really rather not out of my fucked up principles that never seem to get me anywhere.

For kaiser to say &quot;it's tony or me&quot; is fucked up.  Tony has nothing to do with dFb, but that's what it's become for him.  He believes so strongly that Tony and many others cheat but he just can't prove it and he's at the point of quitting if I continue to to tell him to shut up about cheaters that can't be proven.  Really, I am the only one left that will say this to him or anyone.  I know it's pointless... it's just me being me trying to inject some logic into rants and tyrades that end up sounding like nutty conspiracy theories because there's no evidence other than someone's gut feeling or weird things they experience while playing that can be explained by things other than a hack.

Then he posted his rant and at the end said basically &quot;Let's talk about how we feel&quot;.  Since he sent me a link to this post in TS (I was not in the same channel as he was because I working and didn't want the distraction of the lobby) I assumed the he definitely wanted me to read it and probably wanted a reply from me.  I obliged.

Kaiser's rant was full of name calling.  Fag-boy, cock licker, chicken shit, etc.  Is this really appropriate behavior in the public forum from a dFb member, let alone an admin?  To be publicly calling people from other clans all kinds of names like a 5 year old?  This is what dFb has become at this point in the public forum apparently.  Us calling people outside of our clan names like a group of punk kids.  I'm supposed to encourage this kind of behavior?

Kaiser also said the he doesn't think tony hacks but he kicked him because he thought he was a random botter?  Well, which one is it?  Did you kick him because you knew who he was behind the alias or did you kick him because you thought he was cheating?  That's unclear to me.

We have Kaiser, Prometheius, and the santas who are ALL quick to scream cheater this and hacker that.  I'm almost always the only idiot who ever tries to bring any fucking reason into this bullshit whether I disagree with who they are talking about or NOT!

Innocent until proven guilty.  I feel I'm the only voice left saying this.

So the day after Kaiser's rant I came to accept that I no longer represent the majority opinion here.  That's why I posted saying that kaiser could ban everyone on his list and I wouldn't bitch.  The reason I know he has a list is because I have one too and we used to compare notes way back when I still thought there was hope of catching all the cheaters.

I've said it once and I'll say it again.  There is no anger from me in any of this.  I'm not going to quit or leave if we decide that we are going to be more like a hedsteem server and just ban everyone we're really suspucious about.  We've never been that way in all the time I've been here and it goes against things that I believe in that go beyond any game, but dFb is family.

Go ahead and call me a traitor and a backstabber.  If you do then I think you call me that because you are either delusional or misinformed of the facts.  

The old rules as I assumed them:
#1, we don't kick or ban  people for cheating without proof.
#2, we don't kick or ban people for foul language as a general rule although specific cases can be dealt with as seen to be appropriate at the time.

The new rules:
???

UT3 has NO cheat protection.  Do we throw away rule #1 because of this?  I'm not trying to diminish any of the awesome stuff emac has done in the attempt to ferret out the cheaters in any way.  He's done stuff that most or all of us here think is simply amazing, but the fact is it didn't solve the issue of epic releasing a game that had NO good way of detecting hacks and cheats.  It shouldn't be up to eric to fix epic's broken game but if he's doing what he does because he enjoys it then that's just awesome.

Why post this long rant of my own?  Because there are dFb members who haven't been in TS regularly for months.  They don't know as well as someone who's in TS every day... me.  You can think I'm full of shit if you like, but if you weren't there... well then you weren't there.  Want me to remove my clan tag?  Fine, I don't care.  I've NEVER wanted to be in a clan for the sake of being in a clan.  I just like being able to play games with people that I can hear bitch and moan when I own them... it's much more fun to me that way no matter what the game is.

This isn't about turning anyone one way or another.  I'm not saying anyone should be kicked out or have their admin ability removed.  I just want my voice to not be misunderstood by someone who hasn't seen everything the same way I have.

Kaiser may not be around for some time.  No idea... I think and hope it has little or nothing to do with this specific drama of tony and ginger.