Just to clarify my original post on the &quot;Demos are Down&quot; thread, the only point I wanted to get across is that I don't like people complaining about the demos bein down .  When it's down it's always the same people freekin about it.  Most UTF fuckers and and a few EX vaginas.  I don't trust the UTF guys, I am suspisious of their motives.  Originally I was under the impression that the demos were a tool for dFB's admins.  Then we let Tony have a link to the site and not long after everyone else became aware and starting using them.  I'm ok with that if everyone else is, but it doesn't give those outsiders the right to complain about them being down or even comment on it.  With all the changes this clan has gone through the last thing I want to happen is for Emac to to get overwhelmed with &quot;chores&quot; to keep the masses happy.  These fuckers are spoiled lil brats (and bitches) who shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.  (For you city folks the metaphor comes from someone who is given a horse as a gift and the first thing they do is look at the horse's teeth to see how old it is.  That would be an insult to the gift bearer)  If you really don't mind being hassled by the likes of Wipes, Tony, Aim or others than that's cool with me.  Maybe I should mind my own business but it is in my nature to be VERY protective of my friends.   That is what motivated my post.