Well thanks so much. This wasnt exactly the problem but it did help me find it.Turns out after using the cache extractor, the game kept trying to use a utstats2.u file that was extracted to the script folder instead of downloading a new one into the cache.  8O I deleted the one in the script folder and the game subsequebtly downloaded an updated utstats2.u file to the cache and now all is well. Thanks again so much for the help, I am now back in sevice!  :D