For t he record I only spoke to jitsu.  He seemed ok enough to invite into teamspeak.  I have always thought Cake is a douche, but everyone is worth gettin to know.  In the old 99 league I played in there were a lot of people who at one tine time or another didn't get along and eventually they did.  Never spoke to cake before so I was willin to give him a chance for the sake of snaggin up Jitsu.  All the other clans snag all the good players and we have been letting them slip by.  Unfortunately they have been recruited right off our server.  In truth I don't care if we take on any new guys or not.  If we have to sift through the shitpile to get another Dub however it would be worth it.