lol i feel ya . Epic didn't want to make ut3 so much so they could care less. ut 2k4 and all other games will always have hacks but people like DFB clan etc..... we just will ban the cheaters if we suspect they are . Emac and most of the dfb members all play ut 99 . i know Atari 99 lol...........it's still just better then the rest . the graphics are not as good but the game play well makes up for it . There is a guy called LAMP that is the best hacker out there or was for pc games and use to be a pain that no one could stop . We had him on a podcast we did years ago at the BS clan. He was a programmer for NASA and hack pc games for the fun of it . stay where there is cheat protection and clans that ban people for cheating is really all you can do .if someone cheats that you can not prove ........just leave the server for a few .....they will get bored and leave .. I have made many map for ut 2k4 but have never really played it much .i made maps for the MIRT clan in 2k4 . ut 99 we have hundreds .Just so you know we at dfb are taking in new members for the clan .Like i said though we play ut 99 as a clan ,the rest we play for fun . But it is a good chance to be active in a clan and the dealings of a clan .we have PR guys ,match coordinators, Mappers, coders,moders,Graphics guys , website guys,etc.........our clan is a community clan that grows though it's members , we all handle the responsibilities as a community .everything we do here we put to a vote and our members vote on it . we are unlike any clan out there i think . Well just food for thought anyways . ttyl